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Page Preface v

EXHIBITS INTRODUCED

Page Allen Exhibit No.: 1 472 2 472 3 472 4 472 5 472 6 472 7 472 8 472 9 472 10 472 11 472 12 472 13 472 14 472 15 472 Anderson Exhibit No. 1 303 Brown Exhibit No. 1 470 Burcham Exhibit No.: 1 473 2 473 3 473 Creel Exhibit No.: 1 477 2 477 3 477 4 477 5 477 6 477 7 477 8 477 Cunningham Exhibit No. 4 477

Gangl Exhibit No. 1 479 Graves Exhibit No. 1 479 Gray Exhibit No. 1 210 Greener Exhibit No.: 1 246 2 247 3 251 4 251 Hunley Exhibit No.: 1 476 2 476 3 476 4 476 5 476 6 476 7 476 James Exhibit No.: 1 181 2 186 3 187 3-A 187 4 188 5 188 6 189 7 189 8 189 9 189 10 190 11 190 Johnson Exhibit No.: 1 442 2 442 3 443 4 443 5 443 6 443 Kramer Exhibit No.: 1 212 2 213 Lee Exhibit: A 482 B 482 Lewis Exhibit No. 1 323 Murret Exhibit No. 1 472 Odio Exhibit No. 1 373 Odum Exhibit No. 1 468 Pena Exhibit No. 1 359 Pic Exhibit No.: 1 5 2 13 2-A 15 3 14 4 15 5 15 6 66 6-A 66 7 66 7-A 66 8 66 8-A 66 9 66 9-A 66 10 66 10-A 66 10-B 66 11 66 11-A 66 12 66 12-A 66 13 66 13-A 66 14 66 15 66 16 66 16-A 66 17 66 17-A 66 18 66 18-A 66 19 66 19-A 66 20 66 20-A 66 20-B 66 21 67 21-A 67 22 67 23 67 23-A 67 24 67 24-A 67 25 67 25-A 67 26 67 26-A 67 27 69 27-A 69 27-B 69 28-A 69 28-B 69 29-A 69 29-B 69 29-C 69 30-A 69 30-B 69 31-A 69 31-B 69 32-A 69 32-B 70 33-A 70 33-B 70 34 70 35-A 70 35-B 70 36-A 70 36-B 70 37-A 71 37-B 71 38-A 71 38-B 71 39-A 71 39-B 71 40-A 71 40-B 71 41-A 71 41-B 71 42-A 71 42-B 71 43-A 71 43-B 71 44-A 71 44-B 71 45-A 71 45-B 71 46-A 71 46-B 71 47-A 71 47-B 71 48 35 49 35 50 29 51 29 52 28 53 28 54 30 55 30 56 36 57 36 58 36 59 35 60 60 Rachal Exhibit No.: 1 475 2 476 3 476 Rogers Exhibit No. 1 463 Seeley Exhibit No.: 1 195 2 196 3 198 4 199 5 199 6 200 7 201 Smith Exhibit No. 1 474 Staples Exhibit No. 1 210 Stuckey Exhibit No.: 1 161 2 163 3 169 4 177 Thornley Exhibit No.: 1 112 2 113 3 114 Twiford Exhibit No. 1 179 Walker Exhibit No.: 1 408 2 409 3 411 4 411 Weinstock Exhibit No. 1 207 Weissman Exhibit No. 1 429

Hearings Before the President's Commission

on the

Assassination of President Kennedy

TESTIMONY OF JOHN EDWARD PIC

The testimony of John Edward Pic was taken at 10:25 a.m., on May 15, 1964, at 200 Maryland Avenue NE., Washington, D.C., by Messrs. John Hart Ely and Albert E. Jenner, Jr., assistant counsel of the President's Commission.

Mr. JENNER. Sergeant Pic, do you swear in your testimony you are about to give that you will tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?

Mr. PIC. Yes; I do.

Mr. JENNER. State your full name, please.

Mr. PIC. Staff Sergeant John Edward Pic, sir, U.S. Air Force.

Mr. JENNER. And that Pic is spelled P-i-c-?

Mr. PIC. Yes, sir.

Mr. JENNER. Give me your home address.

Mr. PIC. 7306 Westville, San Antonio, Tex.

Mr. JENNER. You are a married man?

Mr. PIC. Yes, sir.

Mr. JENNER. Give the full name of your wife including her married name, children, if any, ages and names and where born.

Mr. PIC. My wife's maiden name is Margaret Dorothy Fuhrman. My eldest is John Edward Pic, Jr., 14 May, 1952. My daughter, Janet Ann Pic, 18 October 1954; James Michael Pic, 22 February 1960.

Mr. JENNER. Your wife Margaret is--she was born where?

Mr. PIC. New York City, sir.

Mr. JENNER. Her parents are native Americans as well as she?

Mr. PIC. No, sir; they are not.

Mr. JENNER. What do you know of them?

Mr. PIC. Her father died; I never met the man while we were going together. Her mother and father were separated. Her mother was born in Hungary, I think. Her father was also, sir.

Mr. JENNER. What do you understand as to when they came to this country?

Mr. PIC. I have never inquired. It has probably been mentioned but I have forgotten.

Mr. JENNER. Was it your impression they had been here a good many years?

Mr. PIC. Yes, sir; they have seven children. The eldest being in her forties, I am pretty sure.

Mr. JENNER. I see. When you met your wife she was living with her mother?

Mr. PIC. Yes, sir.

Mr. JENNER. Where?

Mr. PIC. 325 East 92d Street, New York City.

Mr. JENNER. And you were at that time in the service?

Mr. JENNER. How old is Mrs. Pic?

Mr. PIC. Thirty, sir. She turned 30 the 21st of December.

Mr. JENNER. Of 1963?

Mr. PIC. Yes, sir.

Mr. JENNER. She was born December 21, 1933?

Mr. PIC. It may be 22, sir; I never remember. I am giving sworn testimony, I don't want to lie about my wife's birthday; it is either the 21st or 22d, I am pretty sure it is the 21st.

Mr. JENNER. You are stationed where at present?

Mr. PIC. I am attached to Wilford Hall, USAF Hospital, Lackland Air Force Base, San Antonio, Tex.

Mr. JENNER. Do you--what is your particular assignment?

Mr. PIC. I am NCOIC, Special Procedures Branch, Department of Pathology, Wilford Hall Hospital. I have had this job since the 10th of February this year, and my other ones, I had another job when I talked to the Secret Service if you would be interested in that.

Mr. JENNER. How long have you been at Lackland?

Mr. PIC. I have been there since August 1962, sir.

Mr. JENNER. My information is you were born in New Orleans on January 17, 1932?

Mr. PIC. That is correct, sir.

Mr. JENNER. You entered the Coast Guard.

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